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I was asked by a brother whether or not it is true that Shi’ite men are allowed to derive sexual pleasure from infant children, and even new-born babies, by fondling them or rubbing their genitals on them. I told him that I would post about this issue soon, so this post of mine is about that topic.Yes, this is indeed permissible for Shi’ites. But I warn my brother from the Ahlus Sunnah to not rush to condemn the Shi’ites for this moral depravity, since I’ve looked in our own texts and I could not find any rules in the works of jurisprudence of all the madhabs that forbid such behavior. And since deriving sexual pleasure from your wives or female slaves is generally permissible in Islam, and only sexual intercourse is prohibited before the age of maturity (typically at 9 years), it appears that the act of lustful fondling and thighing infant wives may be permissible for us as well.
So if we condemn the Shi’ites for these hideously immoral laws, and it turns out that they are permissible in our faith as well, then obviously they cannot be immoral since our religion allows them, so we will have to walk back our previous comments to the Shi’ites, which might be a little embarrassing for us. So take heed!
Anyway, coming to the actual issue, here are the rulings of their scholars (the “Ayatullahs”) about this topic.
The most prominent Shi’ite scholar in the world today is Ayatullah Sistani, who resides in Najaf. This is what he has to say about this issue in his book Minhaj as-Saliheen (in the Chapter of Nikah):
مسألة 8 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين، دواماً كان النكاح أو منقطعاً، واما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة والتقبيل والضم والتفخيذ فلا بأس بها،
Issue #8: It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse (with one’s wife) before she reaches 9 years in age, be it in Nikaah (permanent marriage) or Mut’a (temporary marriage). As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, kissing, embracing, and thighing (i.e., rubbing penis between the thighs), there is no problem in it. [That is, there is no problem in deriving such pleasures from one’s wife before she reaches the age of 9 years.]
Another extremely important Shi’ite leader from the 20th Century was Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini. You might be familiar with him due to his prominence in the late 20th century, especially due to him being the founder of the current Islamic Republic of Islam. He also repeats the same ruling as above in his book Tahreer al-Waseelah:
مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة
Tahreer al-Waseelah, volume 2, page 343
Issue #12: It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse (with one’s wife) before she reaches 9 years in age, be it in Nikaah (permanent marriage) or Mut’a (temporary marriage). As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing (i.e., rubbing penis between the thighs), there is no problem in it, even if she is a suckling baby.
Some other prominent Shi’ite scholars who have given the same ruling regarding deriving sexual pleasure from babies are the following:
- Ayatullah Khoei, the teacher of Ayatullah Sistani mentioned above, and the head of the Hawzah in Najaf till his death, in his book: Al-Mabani fi Sharh Urwat al-Wuthqa
- Ayatullah Muhammad Kazim Tabtaba’i Yazdi in his seminal work, al-Urwat al-Wuthqa, volume 5, page 502.
So hopefully that answers the question. Again I must warn the brothers to be careful in this regard, since this immoral law might be permissible in our faith as well, which would make it completely, 100% moral. So do not rush to judgments too quickly. And, indeed, Allaah is the best of Helper and the best of Guides.
Islam: the ideology of the pedophile
Leonard Miller said:
you sick mob of fuckwits may God destroy you soon infact all i can say is come Lord Jesus be my guest
Janet Zwahlen said:
The only way to destroy them is if INFIDELS -all available take control and devise ways to take out the nazi-islamists now before they infect the globe (which is their plan) . They will waste no time in taking out any and all who are infidels. If those infidels continue on their wuss-ways they will lose . The founders of this country used guerrilla-warfare to gain their freedoms and this is what needs to be used now.
Christine Kingham said:
Personally I think that getting sexual pleasure from a child is immoral. It denies the right of the child. A child aged 9 years is a child. She is too young to have babies and is little more than a baby herself. Females are not there solely for a man’s pleasure. Men should be able to control their lust and desires as women are expected to. Are you saying that men are genetically weaker and less intelligent than women? if this is the case perhaps men should wear some form of restraint on their penis as they cannot control themselves!
Of course the age of consent for sexual intercourse is a societal concept and differs in certain cultures.
What is important here is that in the UK and most western societies the age of consent is much higher than 9 years. The welfare of a child is considered to be the most important thing. 9 years is too young to engage in sexual activity. Babies should not be subjected to it. It is a harmful practice, in the west we have made this illegal. Ignorance of the law is no excuse!
What ever God you worship, the law of the land is paramount and you can be imprisoned for a very long time if you engage in sexual activity with a child under the age of 16 years.
Men are not babies. They should learn to control themselves. Unless they are mentally retarded in some way they should know better. This is 2018. People live longer and the world is over populated. These beliefs are out dated. We no longer live until only 30 years when procreation had to be got on with as people died young.
Children deserve to be brought into a loving and non abusive home. Sex without consent is rape. men are raised to believe that this is OK. This is anathema to western society, no matter what religious beliefs you hold.
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Unicodist (@unicodist) said:
Yo! Don’t you guys feel ashamed of your religion?